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04/03/2013 05:00 PM Senate LABOR & COMMERCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ HB 84 MILITARY TRAINING CREDIT/TEMP. LICENSE TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 84(FIN) Out of Committee
+= SB 79 SPORT FISHING GUIDING SERVICES TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
<Bill Hearing Canceled>
+= HB 50 MULTI-UNIT HOUSING: COMMERCIAL USE TELECONFERENCED
Scheduled But Not Heard
-- Public Testimony --
+= SB 8 PHARMACY AUDITS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ SB 25 UNEMPLOYMENT; ELEC. FILING OF LABOR INFO TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Public Testimony --
Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled
         SB 25-UNEMPLOYMENT; ELEC.FILING OF LABOR INFO                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:15:50 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  DUNLEAVY   reconvened  the   meeting  and   announced  the                                                               
consideration of SB 25, "An  Act relating to electronic filing of                                                               
certain information  with the Department  of Labor  and Workforce                                                               
Development;  relating to  surcharges,  rate increase  reduction,                                                               
prohibition on  the relief of  certain charges,  the unemployment                                                               
trust  fund  account,  and the  offset  of  certain  unemployment                                                               
compensation  debt  under  the Alaska  Employment  Security  Act;                                                               
relating to the definition  of 'covered unemployment compensation                                                               
debt' in  the Alaska Employment  Security Act; and  providing for                                                               
an effective  date." He noted this  was the first hearing  on the                                                               
bill which was requested by the Governor.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
5:16:47 PM                                                                                                                    
BRYNN KEITH, Acting Deputy Commissioner,  Department of Labor and                                                               
Workforce Development  (DOLWD), Juneau,  Alaska, said SB  25 does                                                               
four things:  1) it allows  for the electronic filing  of reports                                                               
and documents;  2) it improves  the ability to  recoup fraudulent                                                               
unemployment insurance  payments, 3)  it adopts minor  changes to                                                               
bring state  law into compliance  with federal law  governing the                                                               
unemployment  insurance  program;  and  4)  it  changes  how  the                                                               
unemployment insurance  tax rates are  set in order to  keep more                                                               
money  in  the hands  of  Alaska  employers and  employees  while                                                               
protecting  the integrity  of  the  unemployment insurance  trust                                                               
fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
5:18:00 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL DICK, Director, Division  of Employment Security, Department                                                               
of  Labor   and  Workforce  Development  (DOLWD),   provided  the                                                               
following sectional analysis of SB 25:                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
Section  1 adds  a  new section,  AS  23.05.055, authorizing  the                                                               
commissioner to  allow the  use of  electronic filing  methods in                                                               
place of paper filing.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section  2 adds  a  new section,  AS  23.20.021, authorizing  the                                                               
legislature  to appropriate  money  into  the unemployment  trust                                                               
fund account.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Sections  3 adds  a new  section, AS  23.20.279, that  brings the                                                               
state into  conformity with  federal law,  Public Law  112-40, by                                                               
prohibiting the relief of charges  to employers when an erroneous                                                               
payment  of unemployment  insurance benefits  is made  due to  an                                                               
established  pattern  of  the  employer,   or  an  agent  of  the                                                               
employer,  for  failing to  respond  timely  or adequately  to  a                                                               
documented  request  for  information  relating to  a  claim  for                                                               
unemployment  compensation.   This  section   defines  "erroneous                                                               
payment" as  a payment  made that would  not have  otherwise been                                                               
paid,  but was  due to  the failure  of the  employer to  respond                                                               
timely  or  adequately. This  section  also  defines "pattern  of                                                               
failing"  as two  or more  times or  two percent  or more  of all                                                               
requests, whichever is greater, during the prior year.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DICK  emphasized  the  serious   impacts  of  not  being  in                                                               
conformity with federal law. Because  the state is in compliance,                                                               
Alaska  employers   receive  a  90  percent   credit  on  Federal                                                               
Unemployment Tax Act (FUTA) tax  contributions for each employee.                                                               
If  the state  were to  fall out  of compliance  it would  mean a                                                               
substantial  burden  on employers  in  addition  to the  loss  of                                                               
administrative funding, which is $21 million this year.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MICCICHE   asked  when  the   state  would  be   out  of                                                               
compliance.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICK  replied the  federal requirements must  be in  place by                                                               
October 21, 2013. He continued the sectional analysis.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section  4  repeals and  reenacts  AS  23.20.290(f), replacing  a                                                               
table method  for determining  unemployment insurance  trust fund                                                               
solvency adjustments  with a more precise  calculation method. It                                                               
also  eliminates  a restriction  on  how  far the  fund  solvency                                                               
adjustment surcharge  can fall in  a single year.  Surcharges are                                                               
currently calculated  to tenths of  a percent and the  bill would                                                               
provide  for  surcharges to  be  calculated  to hundredths  of  a                                                               
percent. Currently,  the statutes  allow the  solvency adjustment                                                               
to  only increase  or decrease  a maximum  of .3  per year.  This                                                               
removes the  .3 limitation on decreases  in solvency adjustments.                                                               
In decreasing  situations this  will provide  more tax  relief to                                                               
employers.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section  5 adds  a  new section,  AS  23.20.291, authorizing  the                                                               
commissioner  to eliminate  or reduce  increases in  unemployment                                                               
insurance  tax rates  when the  "average high  cost multiple,"  a                                                               
measure of solvency  calculated by the U.S.  Department of Labor,                                                               
Employment and Training Administration,  is 0.8 or greater. There                                                               
is also a requirement to  consult with the department's actuarial                                                               
staff.  This  provides  unemployment   insurance  tax  relief  to                                                               
employers during economic downturns.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Section 6 amends section AS  23.20.390(f) to bring the state into                                                               
conformity with federal  law, Public Law 112-40,  by removing the                                                               
department's  authority  to waive  the  collection  of a  penalty                                                               
established due to misrepresentation  and requires that a minimum                                                               
of 30  percent of the unemployment  insurance penalties collected                                                               
due   to  misrepresentation   be  deposited   into  the   state's                                                               
unemployment trust fund account.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section  7 adds  a new  section, AS  23.20.486, to  authorize the                                                               
department  to offset  unemployment compensation  debt against  a                                                               
claimant's federal  income tax refund.  This section  would allow                                                               
the state to participate in  the federal treasury offset program.                                                               
This  would  allow the  state  to  offset unemployment  insurance                                                               
debts against federal income tax  return refunds. The offsets are                                                               
projected to bring in $500,000.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Section  8 amends  AS  23.20.520  by adding  a  new paragraph  to                                                               
define  "covered unemployment  compensation  debt" in  accordance                                                               
with the federal statutory definition.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Sections  9 amends  state uncodified  law by  specifying that  AS                                                               
23.20.279, section  3, applies  to overpaid  benefits established                                                               
after October 21, 2013.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section  10 specifies  that the  department will  adopt necessary                                                               
regulations  to  implement  changes.   Regulations  will  not  be                                                               
effective prior to July 1, 2013.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 11 establishes that Section 10 takes effect immediately.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section  12  establishes the  effective  date  for the  remaining                                                               
sections of the Act as July 1, 2013.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
5:23:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked if it would  be possible to go  below the                                                               
previous year's unemployment insurance tax rate.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICK  said no because this  only applies to an  increase in a                                                               
given year.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
5:24:21 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR DUNLEAVY opened public testimony.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
5:24:31 PM                                                                                                                    
BARBARA  HUFF TUCKNESS,  Director,  Governmental and  Legislative                                                               
Affairs,  Teamsters Local  959, said  Local 959  represents about                                                               
7,000 members statewide  who are affected by SB 25.  Local 959 is                                                               
also an  employer of 35  people, and  in 2012 paid  about $37,000                                                               
into the unemployment insurance  trust fund. Those employees paid                                                               
a  little over  $8,300. She  noted that  Alaska is  one of  three                                                               
states in which  employees and employers both pay  into the trust                                                               
fund.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUFF TUCKNESS  said she sent a letter  to Commissioner Blumer                                                               
on  February  12,   2013  to  voice  concerns   about  the  bill,                                                               
specifically Section 5.  She read the question she  posed and the                                                               
answer she received as follows:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Q - If the rate  increases are suspended, as referenced                                                                    
     in Section  5 of  the bill, and  the average  high cost                                                                    
     multiple falls  below the trigger, won't  employers and                                                                    
     employees be required to pay  more than what they would                                                                    
     have had the earlier rate increase been suspended?                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     A  - If  rate increases  are  suspended, employers  and                                                                    
     employees  would be  required to  pay slightly  more in                                                                    
     subsequent years than they would  have if the increased                                                                    
     had not been  suspended in the earlier  years. Over the                                                                    
     long term,  however, the amount  paid by  the employers                                                                    
     and  employees would  be about  the  same, or  slightly                                                                    
     less, than if increases were never suspended.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUFF  TUCKNESS questioned the  wisdom of changing  the system                                                               
if employers and  employees end up paying  the suspended increase                                                               
anyway.  The  current system  is  tried  and  true and  has  been                                                               
working, as opposed to the  30-35 unemployment trust funds in the                                                               
Lower  48 that  have gone  through insolvency  and had  to borrow                                                               
money from the federal government  to fund those plans. The state                                                               
ultimately is required to pay back the loan.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. HUFF TUCKNESS  said, other than Section 5,  the provisions of                                                               
the bill are positive changes that  are for the good of everybody                                                               
and the betterment of the fund.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
5:30:10 PM                                                                                                                    
PAUL GROSSI,  Lobbyist, Alaska  State Pipe  Trades UA  Local 375,                                                               
and  Ironworkers   Management  Progressive   Action  Cooperative,                                                               
stated  support on  behalf  of the  union for  SB  25 except  for                                                               
Section 5.  That is the  section that allows the  commissioner to                                                               
eliminate or  reduce the increases in  unemployment insurance tax                                                               
rates.  Since the  formula was  implemented in  1980, the  Alaska                                                               
trust fund  has never been insolvent.  He said he didn't  want to                                                               
sound like  the sky is  falling, but  if the increases  have been                                                               
suspended for  a period of  time and there  is a downturn  in the                                                               
economy, there  could be  insufficient funds to  make up  for the                                                               
increased  claims. That  is a  slight problem  for the  claimants                                                               
because the benefits  may be delayed, but  the federal government                                                               
will step in  and make the claimants whole. The  employer is then                                                               
responsible for making the fund solvent.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The question is whether the risk  is worthwhile if the funds have                                                               
to be  reimbursed anyway, and  the current formula is  proven. If                                                               
the  department  is  concerned about  overfunding,  he  suggested                                                               
tweaking the formula as opposed to throwing it out.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
He reiterated support for the  bill with the exception of Section                                                               
5.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
5:34:02 PM                                                                                                                    
ANDY ROGERS,  Deputy Director, Alaska  State Chamber  of Commerce                                                               
("Alaska Chamber"), testified  in support of SB 25.  He said this                                                               
is  a   membership  organization  comprised  of   private  sector                                                               
businesses.  Each year  the membership  discusses the  challenges                                                               
facing  businesses  and  selects   positions  for  the  staff  to                                                               
advocate  for.  This  issue got  members  attention.  The  Alaska                                                               
Chamber   asked  Deputy   Commissioner  Keith   to  address   the                                                               
membership  and  give  a  sectional  analysis  of  the  bill  and                                                               
responded  to questions.  The membership  reviewed Section  5 and                                                               
supports giving  the commissioner the option  of providing relief                                                               
to  Alaskan businesses  when the  fund is  solvent and  there are                                                               
economic reasons  to do so.  Section 2 provides  some protections                                                               
because the  legislature can  make an  appropriation to  make the                                                               
fund whole.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The Alaska Chamber believes that  a majority of the bill provides                                                               
good clean up  provisions and he applauds  the administration for                                                               
doing good business on behalf of  the state and looking for areas                                                               
to  optimize  and  seek  efficiencies  in  the  way  it  conducts                                                               
business. That's what [SB 25] does.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  commented that he  agrees with Mr.  Grossi that                                                               
the sky probably isn't falling,  but the concerns about Section 5                                                               
are legitimate.  He asked  Ms. Keith  and Mr.  Dick if  Section 5                                                               
needed some  adjustment or if  they felt it would  remain solvent                                                               
under relatively challenging conditions.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KEITH  said  the  department believes  that  Section  5,  as                                                               
currently  written,  maintains the  solvency  of  the fund  while                                                               
allowing businesses and employers to  keep a little more money in                                                               
their pocket and churning through  the economy and creating jobs.                                                               
It  strikes  a good  balance  and  is  a  good move  forward  for                                                               
employers and employees.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE  asked the  typical increase  from year  to year                                                               
over the past 10 years.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICK said  he didn't have the information, but  the rate goes                                                               
up and  down and that's  what it's done  over the history  of the                                                               
trust fund  as the economic  times and benefit  requirements have                                                               
changed.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MICCICHE asked  if the trust fund would be  managed for a                                                               
relatively smooth ride as opposed to a roller coaster.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICK  emphasized that  this legislation  does not  change the                                                               
formula. He  reiterated that over  the history of the  fund there                                                               
haven't been dramatic increases or decreases.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
5:41:40 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR MICCICHE requested the 10-year trend.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DICK acknowledged the request.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DUNLEAVY stated he would hold SB 25 in committee.                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
SB25 AK State Chamber_letter of support.pdf SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 25
SB8_Opposition_Letter_CVS.pdf SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB8 Pharmacy Benefit Managers.PDF SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB8_Letter Alaska Nurses Assoc..docx SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB8_Support Letter_RonsApoth.pdf SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB 8 lttr supporting - AK Pharmacists 012513.PDF SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB 8 lttr supporting - AK Pharmacists 012513.PDF SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB 8 testimony RonsApoth 040313.pdf SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8
SB8_Support_Letter.PDF SL&C 4/3/2013 5:00:00 PM
SB 8